Re: How to evangelize Apache Lab across ASF communities

On 29 September 2011 11:16, Bernd Fondermann
<bernd.fondermann@googlemail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 03:00, David Crossley <crossley@apache.org> wrote:
>> Bernd Fondermann wrote:
>>> Ross Gardler wrote:
>>> > Mladen Turk wrote:
>>> >> Graham Leggett wrote:
>>> >>> Mladen Turk wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>>> Make sure lab projects can make releases.
>>> >>>> The reason for no releases policy is a mystery to me and
>>> >>>> it actually forced me to move one of my projects from
>>> >>>> labs to sourceforge.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> The reason for "no releases" is that if you want to make releases, you
>>> >>> should be in the incubator.
>>> >>
>>> >> And for the incubator you need a community
>>> >
>>> > No you don't. You need mentors and a champion (shouldn't be hard for
>>> > anyone who is already an ASF committer). You need a desire to build
>>> > community. You do not need a community, the incubator is there to
>>> > incubate community, not code:
>>> >
>>> > "The Apache Incubator has two primary goals:
>>> >
>>> > Ensure all donations are in accordance with the ASF legal standards
>>> > Develop new communities that adhere to our guiding principles"
>>>
>>> Although, to be honest, no-community proposals have been turned down in the
>>> past.
>>
>> Apache PhotArk (incubating) started with one person.
>
> Yes, I wasn't claiming that /all/ such proposals were turned down, but
> /some/ definitively were.
> PhotArk is a special case because AFAIR it was started by an ASF
> member and other ASF committers immediately joined.

Exactly, to restate what I originally said (and is still above):

>>> > You need mentors and a champion (shouldn't be hard for
>>> > anyone who is already an ASF committer). You need a desire to build
>>> > community. You do not need a community, the incubator is there to
>>> > incubate community, not code:

The fact that some third party outside the ASF might be refused from
the incubator is irrelevant since that person can't come into labs
either.

It seems to me that much of the desire to change the Labs is driven by
a fundamental misunderstanding of why Labs was created and what
function it has in relation to the incubator. I *still* haven't heard
anyone address this with concrete suggestions that do not simply
duplicate what is already available in the incubator.

Ross

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Ross Gardler (@rgardler)
Programme Leader (Open Development)
OpenDirective http://opendirective.com

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